Just finished reading the article by Bob Dancer in the Feb. issue of the Casino Player Magazine about whether a person would rather be lucky or good when gambling in a casino.

My experience(with limited gambling excursions) tells me that I would rather be "lucky". Guess that's why lately I don't get too concerned about the best strategy or best paying machines at vp. Seems like my greatest success is from less than full pay machines. If someone gambles much more frequently, I can agree with Dancer that it might be good for those individuals to be good, rather than lucky.

Do most of you who gamble "infrequently" find that it is best to be good, or just plain lucky for the best results?

Do those of you who gamble "frequently" find that it is best to be lucky, or just very good for the best results?

I don't consider 6-8 gambling trips per year very frequent. I would consider gambling every week or several days/week frequent gambling.

Beth

Beth,Put me down for lucky,you ain't gonna win megabucks because you're good

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Beth,

Hey, I'm good. [img]http://www.talkvegas.com/ubb/cool.gif[/img] But I'd rather be lucky. [img]http://www.talkvegas.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] Come to think of it I have been pretty luck in the past. Most of my trips over the years have been to Reno. For years the only VP I would play were the progressive JB. Usually I played 25 cent but once in a while $1. Almost every trip I hit a royal for $1200 to $2500 on a quarter machine. I'd consider that lucky. We used to go 5 or 6 times a year. I've never had a royal on a $1 machine. Our last trip was in September to Las Vegas and I hit a royal on a quarter DB for $1000. I've spent hundreds of hours studying at the feet of Bob Dancer and the other gurus so some of that knowledge has to have rubbed off.

But to answer the question---Yes, I would rather be lucky.

Beth, I'd rather be lucky than good. My first Royal was dealt to me, the second and third came from incorrect strategy. The 4th one (tonight!) came from correct play, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to hold three to the royal<g>.

Daisy,

Congratulations! You kind of slid that bit of information in there unobtrusively. Where did you get it and what denomination and stuff? I get a big thrill when I get one on my Winpoker, but to get a royal in a real casino is an event. Were you lucky or did you use your goodness? [img]http://www.talkvegas.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

Bob



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Daisy,

Good for you! Congratulations!! Sure makes a good trip turn into a "great" one.

Enjoy the SuperBowl and the meet.

Beth

Bob, I was playing quarters at Sam's Town. It was funny when I went to claim my jacket; I rate a cloth jacket for the quarter Royal, but the promo runs thru Jan 31st, and the lady behind the desk suggested I wait to collect until the end of my trip ...just in case I get lucky enough to hit a dollar Royal for the suede variety. Right... pigs might fly too<g>. Actually, I had planned on some dollar play to build up some brownie points here since my gambling time at Sam's will be limited on this trip, and that suede jacket does look really nice. [img]http://www.talkvegas.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

Beth, now I start the struggle to take it home<g>. But, first things first, I'm hungry! I'm off to try the lumberjack breakfast at Nevada Palace ....wouldn't Lee be proud of me?

Beth,

I'll take lucky on the short term and good on the long term. I guess I feel you'll win more being lucky and lose less being good. Lets see.....win more or lose less???


Daisy,

Way to go! Are we going to have to change the Daisy Deuces name Royal Rph? [img]http://www.talkvegas.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

jm

Daisy,remember previous topic,pigs DO fly! good luck on the suede or is that luck-good on the suede

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D.A.G.,

But, it's been said that "pigs won"t fly AGAIN" on U.S. Airways. Guess they'll have to buy a ticket for another carrier.<vbg>

You're just TOO sharp for me, D.A.G.<LOL>

Beth

Daisy,

To bad you're not playing on Winpoker. With a click of the mouse button you can change from quarters to dollars, even after you hit a royal. Maybe you can find a VP machine at Sam's that has that feature. Come to think of it, Winpoker can change to $25 coins so if you switch to that maybe they'll give you an ermine jacket.

Bob

Hooray for Daisy!!!
I think you are way ahead of the law of averages...........remind me to rub your arm for luck!
Congrats!

Daisy and I tried our best last night but we were not lucky. I will take luck over skill any day! Daisy even gave my machine a "lucky rub" but alas---no royals [img]http://www.talkvegas.com/ubb/frown.gif[/img]

John in Las Vegas

Lucky is the way to go. I don't care how good you are in BJ - if you're busting and the dealer is drawing to 21, "good" becomes meaningless. And as for spinning the reels luck wins in the long run. The way to be is good and lucky!

Beth - You raise a very good point. I suppose if I was a professional VP player like Bob Dancer is, I'd want to be good. But considering that I only visit Vegas 3-4 times per year and hardly (if ever) do the riverboats of Chicago, I'd rather be lucky. When I am in Vegas, I try to stick with the 9/7 machines at NYNY. But I have a real taste for DDB which usually has a bad pay schedule. So I guess I would rather be lucky than good. However, a few times I played "correctly" and ended up with a Straight Flush. So who knows? Maybe it depends on the mood I'm in!

Beth, in the short term it doesn't matter how well or badly you play. I have a grand total of seventeen days gambling in Vegas and I have hit two royals on machines where I don't know the 'correct' strategy, whereas I am way behind on Deuces Wild which I have practiced so much that I feel like I can play in my sleep!

Actually I should qualify the above point. I witnessed a near marriage-breaking row between a couple in Bellagio when the husband was dealt a wild straight flush with a deuce, and forgot to hold everything but the 2! So, in exceptional circumstances, it pays to know what you are doing <g>.

I once heard that luck is the residue (sp?) of hard work. I always love being lucky but I also count on knowing what I'm doing.

Of course, I'm still looking for that first Royal. <s>

Doug,

And I thought I was LOW on the list of ROYAL members. I, at least, got ONE!<vbg>

Beth

DAG, pigs weren't flying in Las Vegas this week ....I like Bob's idea of switching to dollars on WinPoker, but it didn't seem too logical to switch from full-pay quarters to less-than-full-pay dollar machines out at Sam's Town. If I really had to have that suede jacket, I could have purchased it in the logo shop for $89. [img]http://www.talkvegas.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

Jeff, you can call me anything you like, but Royal Daisy DEUCES would be appropriate this week<g> ... I finally hit the deuces on a DB machine out at the Regent.

When I'm practicing on WinPoker, my correct strategy only averages about 93% on DB and 98% on DW ....however my "return %" runs 99+ on both games as I keep improving from "major" to "moderate/minor" errors. As I improve, I can stretch the same gambling budget farther ...which means more chances to get lucky. [img]http://www.talkvegas.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] I'd still rather be lucky than good because GamblinTater is right when she says I'm way ahead of the law of averages lately ...but I'm keeping the money<g>.

Not sure about lucky or good. But, I won my biggest slot win ever, $22,800.00. and since winning I have not been able to pick up even a $100.00 win. I used to win 1000.00 here, 500.00. 1000.00 you know, but honestly since that big win, its like I'm cut off. Maybe we are lucky for a certain sum for the year and thats it, if you get it all at once, then you loose the rest of the year.

kui,

Sounds like a great win to me! Sorry you feel you've lost your touch, but don't give up trying.<s>
In what casino were you playing when you won the big one?

By the way, welcome to talkvegas. Glad to have you here. Noticed you registered last year, but I may have missed other posts by you.



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Yes Kui, Welcome back!
I too am interested where you won!
Lee-PA

Thanks for the welcome back, Hi Lee (you're the one that got me coming here in the lst place, thankyou). Actually won my biggest win right here in Ontario Canada, in fact, I live in the country just n/e of Toronto, and they opened a little casino about 15 minutes from our home called The Blue Heron, that is where I won my biggie. Since they opened all these casinos within driving distance of our home, we haven't been going to LV as much but I really miss Bellagio, (that's were we usually stay). I just love that place.

Oh I remember you, Kui, have no doubt about that. You where posting on that other BB and there was no one to answer your qustions. Did you ever get an answer over there? LOL

From the sound of your post, it sounds like your over due for a Vegas trip! [img]http://www.talkvegas.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

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LOL, you were right Lee, you know I don't think anyone ever did post a reply. this is a much nicer place, everyone seems so very friendly. So tell me, how long do I have to loose after that big one before I start winning again, has anyone figured that out? We are thinking about a late April/May trip, not sure though. Of course we will stay at Bellagio. They have offered complimentary 3 nights in a deluxe room. I've said it before will say it again, they make you feel very special when you go there. I went with a friend, one time, she was no gambler, hardly used her card and played the nickle machine, they picked up all her meals, and had I not had our free room, they said they would have picked up a portion of that for her. They said they like to look after lst timers, I suppose hoping to entice them back. Bellagio I think is the best place in LV.

kui,
I don't have any answers only more questions about machines! <S>
I think everyone has a reason they like the respective properties.
I'm too cheap to stay at the high end properties. However, I do beleive you when you say the Bel is the best. It's what works best for you! Me, I don't know what is best anymore....the older I get, the less a room means to me, and I'm more about price, with a location I can live with. I'm also a creature of habit. I like being at a place I feel comfortable in, a place where I know people, where I know my way around the property. To be honest, I've never given the Bel that much of my time. On my upcoming May trip, I'll be staying at an old Mirage property (Golden Nugget) for the first time at any of Wynn's old places. <S>


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